Just something I came across but very interesting FWIW


"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."*

* Adrian Rogers, 1931*

Ol John T

Mr. Rogers sounds like he was a smart man. He should have been our President.

I would guess that you are against all farm subsidies and govt. subsidies to the ethanal plants.

I'm not are against all farm subsidies but am against MOST subsidies to the ethanal plants. The reason the gov't made it to an advantage to use grain which wasn't the best choice. Switch grass and cane crops make good Biomass and Biofuels.
Another polictian and lobbyist spend to much together and the latest was the Wind mill which is produce 75% of the renewable energy (Specfically in Illinois and a couple more states).

As for Ardian Rogers statement, I agree if you want to try something, go to the Ice Cream and announce you will buy ice cream cones for everyone between 4 & 4:30 for one year, you will be broke after word gets around.

I couldn’t agree more. Anything the government is involved in will get messed up. Wasn’t it Hamilton who said government at its best is a necessary evil? I’m a firm believer in limited government, let us keep our tax dollars and the American people will subsidies as they see fit.

Here is one I like; “a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government,” Tomas Jefferson.

I’ve always believed the only laws we should have are laws that prevent someone from directly injuring another innocent citizen. All other laws and government and taxes need to be done away with. Too bad our country is currently going in the opposite direction.

Anyone who feels otherwise should study this nations founding and the writings of our founders before messing with our way of life.

Everyone should read Mark Levin’s “Liberty and Tyranny”

Mark Levin is a smart guy. I only watch FOX news. It's the only place to get the truth about anything. Up here in New England it's mostly Democrats and they are hearing an ear full from the voters on all the spending and on the crappy health care bill. My wife works at the local hospital and the sees allot of Canadiens and folks from Europe come to the hospital to get Chemo or other surgeries and too see specialists. It's a seven month waiting list in Canada to get Radiation or Chemo. That in itself is a death sentence. I knew this would happen if Obama got elected. He has spent more than any other President and in only six months. Thats a record!

Next thing you will see is "Cash For Klunkers" Farm version! Trade in your old tractor on a new one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

Yeah I know. I shudder at the thought of wrecking perfectly good engines with that mixture they pour in the oil to make them seize. To be sure none of us two-cylinder buffs would do something like that???!!!

Lee

A great quote you found there my Conservative friend and Sparky buddy! If only we could get the assembled masses in Sodom on the Potomac to realize the truth of Mr. Rogers statements. Therein, I think, lies the problem. We elect these folks to go to be caretakers of the country, and once they're elected, they begin to lose touch with those who elected them. And, many of them, already being career politicians, have already lost touch. They can't begin to fathom the feeling of futility we have when we see the money we've worked hard for given to those who haven't hit a lick (and wouldn't even if offered the opportunity). Couple that with the fact that there are few, if any, of our elected officials who don't fall into the category of "wealthy" or "prosperous". But somehow, these laws they write don't affect them in the same way they do the rest of us.

An example. G.M and Chrysler are in financial trouble. The esteemed Senators and Congressmen we've elected see the wages and bonuses paid to the top officials of these companies as the root of all evil. Now, our government is running in the red with a huge deficit. They don't seem to think that their salaries and perks have anything to do with it. Now, why do you think that is?



Personally, I'm against all subsidies of all types just on principle. Look at the dictionary definition of subsidy: "a gift of public money to a private person or company or to another government." I've added the emphasis to show what I dislike about them. That's PUBLIC money (read OUR money) that our elected officials CHOOSE to GIVE to INDIVIDUALS and COMPANIES without our consent. Now, if the American people have a say about who gets the subsidies and why so that we can see how (or even if) it will benefit us, that would be a different story. I tend to agree with Jefferson and Reagan (and no, I don't have a problem mentioning them in the same breath) that the free market should run the economy, not government subsidies. And, my opinion is that farm subsidies are one of the reasons the small family farm has all but disappeared, only to be replaced by the large corporate farms.

Alright, that's my opinion on the whole she-bang. But, then again, I'm just a stuffy, old, conservative, fuddy-duddy and a half....

Yo Maurie, You just need to come out of your shell and not be so shy or afraid to speak your mind lol lol

GREAT POST

Same as you, I happen to like the American system of private ownership and free markets versus Socialism and Communism, but it seems some politicians are bent on leading us down that path grrrrrrrrrr. However, nowadays us Christian and especialy Conservative white males are the lowest of the low as far as the Pompous "holier then thou" Liberal Politically Correct elites are concerned.

Ol John T Another old fuddy duddy Christian Conservative Patriot

Here is what I don’t understand, everyone I talk to both on the net in forums like this and in person agree with my conservative way of thinking…..So who elected the liberals and how do we reeducate them????
Apparently they outnumber us to be able to win elections but where/who are they?

I was just about in tears today laughing! I handed my 2 kids who are in college the insurance bills for "their" vehicles which I supplied and have "subsidized" since they've had them. They looked at me like I'd lost my mind. I told them here's the change you both voted for (college people for Obama). I'm only working 32 hour weeks for the forseeable future with all the wealth that's being spread. They are in shock and Awww. I gave them the 2 options, pay up or the vehicles come off the road.

speaking of all this money and subsidies, why are our elected officials not addressing the national debt? instead, they pass this cash for clunkers program which is just adding to this country's debt. who's gonna pay for this and how? increased taxes? borrow from foreign government? also, if we have term limits for the president, why don't we have term limits for our congressmen? about the elections, the big cities (new york, l.a., chicago, boston, etc) are the ones determining who wins the presidential elections since the big city states have more electoral votes. we are slowly losing our freedoms. wish we could get rid of all the subsidies and go back to a truly competitive free market.

Boy, you hit the nail on the head with that one John T. These days, Conservative, Christian, white males are lower than whale doo-doo. Don't believe it? Watch the evening news or pick up a newspaper. The liberal elitists don't like us (I'm tempted to say "hate" us) and they also fear us. Look, this country was conceived, formed, and built by people like us and the Libs know that. I think they also know that if we put our mind to it, we can take this country back. They fear that more than anything. They lack the stones to physically take this country from us, so they do it slowly, through big government creeping into every aspect of our lives. Lose a little freedom here, get a little freedom taken away there, all of it just a little at a time. If they can do that for long enough, we'll never get this country back from them.


Just look around alabama, they're everywhere. But, I don't think they really outnumber us. Many of those that voted for "change" in the last election did so, I think, because they saw it as the politically correct thing to do. And, there's a lot of apathy out there as well. People who don't think their vote will count so they stay away from the polls. Well, they're going to have some time to consider what voting politically correct, or not casting their vote will cost them.

The other end of this is my belief that not all votes are cast in the voting booth. And that's where we, as Conservative, Christian males have missed out. We need to vote with our billfolds. Stop supporting companies that do business contrary to what we believe or that support causes we don't agree with. Pay a few cents more to buy the product that is manufactured by companies that champion our values. They're out there, you just have to look for them. Small thing, I know, but in our house we don't buy anything made by Heinz. I'll not put money in the pocket of Theresa Heinz Kerry so that she can support the liberal causes she and her husband John hold so dear. So, you ask yourself, what will that accomplish. Well, not much if it's only me. But what if every conservative in my state did that? Then what if every conservative in your state did that? It would have a snowball effect and it would mean a lot of money that doesn't go to support the Libs that want to take away a lot of the things we believe in.

Whoa, way too much time on the soapbox here and maybe too politically charged for this type of forum. Hopefully I haven't offended anyone with my political diatribe. I may have to have John T write up a disclaimer to add to a post like this so I don't get myself or the forum in trouble...