Ok, here's the place to unload.

My thought is that registration's time may have come. We've tried very hard to keep the board open to anyone without the need to register, due to the difficulty some folks have with their own computers regarding staying logged in. But that problem could be overcome, if we can offer computer help to people.

Is it time to require registration?

My vote is yes. I am registered on several other boards and find no problem with it. I am not ashamed of my identity. As Byron said, we can help people get their computers to remember the login or cookie to get registered users in without having to sign in each time.



CPeter

Byron,

I'm all for registration. I have voiced that opinion in the past only to find strong opposition. I see that you have made the registration process a little more involved. Hopefully this helps with the spam, but it's doubtful since most of them use the guest option anyway.

I think you would be impressed with how much of a difference it makes in one's demeanor when one must show their face alongside their remarks! Having the IP address listed with the post seems to work very well on other boards. Of course this isn't a catch all since not everyone has a static IP address or they even log on from several different locations.

My vote is go ahead with mandatory registration in order to post. "Guests" should still be allowed all the other freedoms that they enjoy here now.

Why don't we just start requiring everyone to register? Solve a lot of people posting under one name then posting as a guest. Mr. Browning loves to post under his name and then pose as a guest. He also has his e-mail letter of complaint and wanting to bury the hatchet letter saved as a blank form and just fills in the blank. Surprised me to received the same exact e-mail I received from Browning forward by others that had received the same e-mail.

Maybe registring will stop a lot of this bs and bickering.

Byron-

Unfortunately, yes, I believe it's time. I happen to think it's the only way to get (and keep) a handle on these problems. I really believe that registration is a minor inconvenience compared to the benefits it will bring to the board. Virtually all of the boards I visit regularly require it and none of them have the problem with spam that we do.

And, with registration, the also don't seem to have the problems with flames that we do.

Now for the tough part. It will (or at least should, if the moderators stay on top of things) also help to put a lid on the flame wars that are becoming more and more frequent. More than the spam, I think that these flames are much worse for the board. My personal opinion is that if you bash someone for what they post, you get banned. Maybe a graduated scale. The first time is a week, the second 2 weeks and the third time...well, you're gone. Absolutely no place for that here. We're all visitors here and need to behave that way. If this were a social gathering and we walked up to a conversation where we disagreed with what the speaker was saying, we'd either discuss it in a civil manner or walk away from the conversation. What's so hard about doing that here? Makes no difference if you're the most experienced poster on the sight or making your first post, if you start a flame, you get banned. If the slap on the wrist doesn't work, the next time you get the cyber version of a boot in the butt. If neither of those works, you get the World Wide Web equivalent of having your hind-end kicked up around your ears and then get shown the door.

I like the idea of computer help for those that have a problem with either the log in process or staying logged in. That should help soften the blow for those that are opposed to registration strictly on a computer related basis. For those that oppose it for other reasons (and I really have a hard time understanding that), I guess they'll have a decision to make.

I happen to think that this is among the best boards on the web. The amount of useful and helpful information available here is second to none among the boards that I frequent. That is, when we're all behaving like adults and not distracted by spam attacks. Look, every group of people is made up of differing personalities. What brings a group of people together is a common interest. What keeps that group of people together is the ability to set those differing personalities aside and concentrate on the common interest. Let's get this registration thing done, put it in our past, and then get on with what we come here to do. Talk tractors and shoot the bull.

If you have a problem with another individual (or individuals) on this board, contact them directly. Don't bring it to the board. If you can't settle it among yourselves, we can't help you here. Maybe you can talk it out, maybe you can't. If you can't then I guess you could arrange to meet out in the alley and find out whose a** is blackest. But whatever you do, keep it off of the board. Coming here to find a sympathetic ear adds nothing to the board. It only makes you feel better while detracting from the usefulness of the board.

Just my two-cents.

Byron

If you don't go there you will never know

Who in the hey said "If you never do anything you will never mank a mistake"

Give it a shot. I got better things to do with my waining years than to get my shorts all knotted up about such things

Just had a thought (now that is dangerous) Doing so may relieve some of the gas pains that a few on the board are constantly plagued with.

Glad you moved this post here. It was gonna just be a bunch more of non tractor bickering on the other board.

Now for the good news. I am not even going to take the time to come back here and look for a wizzing contest to get into lol. I am gonna devote my energy into haveng a good day and leave with that thought.

I guess my thoughts are registration will need to be done. I've always posted on the various boards I visit with my given name. I imagine that has it's hazards, But I was raised that 'if your man enough to state your case, you better be man enough to state your name' (and take your bumps and bruises). The computer arguements about cookies, and logins etc. don't hold water. They are easily correctable. You can bet that if that computer had 2 cylinders and was firing only on one cylinder, the owner would get that corrected in short order.
As far as any hidden agenda on the part of the moderators, I have none and I don't see where any of the other guys have one or any. Personally my criteria for whacking a spam is 1. if it has links to things other than tractor/machinery related topics ie; porn, drugs, cheap vacations etc. 2.profane,vulger or discriminitory language. 3. photos that I wouldn't show to my Mom. 4.Topics that are not in keeping with the spirit of this board.
I've posted topics in the past that some might consider as not in keeping with the spirit. I invite anyone to publicly scold me if a topic doesn't belong, and also any of the other moderators to step in and whack my posts if they deem one inappropriate.
I advocate registration based on the fact that it's quite a nuisance trying to make hay when you have a sniper in the woods taking potshots at you.
As I said, the computer issue can be solved requiring nothing expensive or elaborate. This computer I'm typing on right now is a 4 year old, $400 wally world special on dial up that drives geek boy absolutely wild. But I had no problem registering on this site and have never had ANY formal training in it's use. Computers were still science fiction type stuff back in the day. So if a few people get jilted because they "cannot" or will not get their issues straightened out so be it. Trust me on this, if we set a date by which every poster must be registered, Anyone that visits this board intending to keep with the spirit of the board will be here.
Every morning a sermon!

Registration? Yes, I go along with it. Secondly, Byron created different boards for us to use to discuss tractors, lawn tractors and general stuff around the pot bellied stove; I think we should encourage the "Topical use" of each of our boards. I think that will help too. I am just so sad to see some much bickering and anger that it upsets me. I 've met so many great folks here that I don't like to see their participation discouraged. Like Clooney! I admire him and wish he was still giving advise on the board. Lets not let this open forum get out of hand to the point were good people say, "Hey enough already, I'm moving on."

A year ago or so the Antique Caterpillar Machinery Owners Club, ACMOC.org started requiring registration to post on there site. Registration did not stop may of the spam posts until a couple of months ago when every new registration had to be reviewed by the board administrator before the registration was approved. This has mostly solved the problem of the spam posts, there are other problems over there yet.
thanks
Ken

Byron
I am in favor of registration, to post. If you can leave it open to browse the topics, it would be great, but to post has to be registered. This little girl bickering is going to and probably has driven some people away.

Most computers will remember your handle and password for you so it no big deal to sign in.

That is just my thoughts and with that and a dollar you can buy a cup of coffee some places.

Thanks guys for the job that you have been doing, trying to keep a handle on this bickering and spam.

I'm totally in favor of registration.

I'm not in favor of registration, for what some might consider a petty reason. It's the little asinine "Johnnypopper expert, professor," etc. things in the name block...I have made my living repairing JD tractors, 2-cyl & others, for 35 yrs., I to see somebody classed as a "Johnnypopper expert" just because he throws out a post on every d*nmed thread whether he knows his a** from a hole in the ground or not, just irks me...I could cite particular offenders, but I won't get personal...it's my little form of protest, I've discussed it privately w/Byron a long time ago, was told that's the way the software works, so so be it...I've continued to post as "Guest" just to be helpful on topics I have something constructive to add...if registration is required I will move on, actually, this forum is pretty juvenile a lot of the time anymore, esp. the last few days...I doubt my limited advice will be missed anyway, this place is like a tree full of owls as far as wisdom goes...
so long...
Guest...

I too will not register, because I have noticed the hate among the members and the way they fuss and all. Because of this I don't want my email address available to those how may get mad and do something stupid like sending a viris.

Ok, the "offensive" rankings are now gone. They were never intended as anything other than a lighthearted gimmick, but they're gone. One more problem out of the way.

As for e-mails, any registered user can hide his e-mail address, so that is simply not an issue.

Byron,
Sooner or later the volume of spam is going to get overwhelming, and you guys are going to get tired of dealing with it. I kind of doubt you are getting paid enough to have this occupy even more of your time dealing with spammers. Registration can eliminate most or all of the spam, and then all you are left with is the flaming, personal attacks and such, and they are not that prolific, and would not require near as much time.
Sevearal people have put forth some good registration ideas. I don't imagine that any of them are foolproof, but should wipe out the majority. I probably delete a couple of registered users a week on my site that are purely spammers with porn links and such. But, at least the way my registration is set up, this only appears in their profile, and they seldom get through the registration process far enough to post anything. I wonder if these are more bot generated, and the ones that get through, which is very few, are an actual person doing the work.
I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment that this is a great site, and would be a shame to see it get ruined by spammers.
Lavoy

I am truly sorry that you guests feel the way you do. But that's life. As far as your e-mail address, It is your option as to whether it is public or not. Mine is not, for the same reasons you state although I'm open to a PM. I've been in the Deere game for close to 40 years myself with skinned knuckles from a G at the ripe old age of 7. I've also learned that if you have a cross to bear, you bear it alone. If you want to leave this site, bubbye. you won't be missed as we have no idea who you were to start with.
Your statement then is lost on anybody here. Information sharing is the hallmark of this board, closely followed by the commeradery of the common bond of this hobby.
I my other life in production management for the past 24 years, I've gained a lot of insight in dealing with personalities. The hardest part of my job is showing someone the door. Even harder is showing someone the door that is very good at what they do and have a lot to offer from a financial standpoint, but at the same time are pure poison to a team enviroment. A production operation, much like this board cannot function and grow if centered around one or a small group of people, total involvement of all is tanamount to the success of the whole. Those who seek to subvert the group effort no matter how good they may be, find themselves increasingly un-welcome. So if you want to take your ball and go home, seeya!

steve

What warm welcomer you would make. If I can't get my questions answered here I will go to fit's website. He is the only one that knows anything anyways.

Byron;
I've alway's liked the fact the board was open to everyone regardless of membership, but i think the time has come for it to be required. Open to browze & registered to post. If it's possible i'd like to see all these locked thread's removed that have nothing of value to add to our hobby. It look's bad on us all.
M-MAN

Good thought, M-Man. I'll move those off-tractor-topic threads over here, where they won't clutter up the forum, and then let them die out.

I am a 2 year owner of a Model A that I use for light work on my driveway and yard. The board has been very helpful to me as I learned some of the tricks of keeping a neat old tractor runing. I take a look just about every day just to learn more.

If registration will help, I am all for it. I only come on the board as taoswheat- never guest. Nothing magic in the name- I live in Taos and my name is Wheatley.

The petty stuff belongs somewhere else.

Regards

Byron,

Thanks for saying adios to the cute little johnnypopper titles! I have seen more than one board member come under fire for those titles in the past. I'm glad to see them gone.

I'm all for registration. I can't belive someone would get offended by the johnnypopper titles but if they must go so be it.

QUOTE (Steve Crum @ Aug 1 2006, 10:57 AM)

If you want to leave this site, bubbye. you won't be missed as we have no idea who you were to start with. So if you want to take your ball and go home, seeya!

Thanks, Steve, you made up my mind...After reading Byron's post about removing the "rankings" I was thinking about starting to use my name again. But thanks to your tactful way of putting things, I'm outa here...nobody could compete with your vast fount of knowledge, anyway...
Last " HTH" ever-Guest

[sigh]

I never detected Steve showing an attitude of superiority. I don't recall him ever pretending to know it all either. He was just being blunt. The reality is that there are many places in life that we wouldn't be missed if we dissappeared right now. One saying of the man who founded the company I work for was "none of us individually make any more difference than removing your hand from a 5 gallon bucket of water". Try it sometime, it doesn't make much difference in the water level. Of course if you put your hand into a full pail of water that's a different story altogether.

My point is that no matter how important you are to whatever you do there will usually be someone to take your place and keep things going. That's all Steve was saying. He didn't mean that he didn't appreciate the positive and helpful posts by guests.

Mr. HTH Guest, I believe I know who you are and I will miss your input if you choose to leave. Be it by your regular handle or as a guest you have always provided sound information. You do what you need to do. Sometimes it doesn't hurt to take a breather or sabatical and just get away from it all. I do hope you will remain among us not for me or Steve Crum but for the sake of the 2400+ other members that don't annoy you.

Thanks for you previously helpful input and good luck with whatever decision that you make.

Bryon -- My Hat is Off to you! Thanks for deleting the ranking. That was offensive to me.

Now -- delete also (1) the number of posts and (2) membership date and I think things will settle down quickly. We need to down-grade the "ownership syndrome".

Things are looking up!

PatB

I don't agree with deletion of the date of joining or the number of posts.

QUOTE (P Browning @ Aug 1 2006, 08:27 PM)

Bryon -- My Hat is Off to you! Thanks for deleting the ranking. That was offensive to me. Now -- delete also (1) the number of posts and (2) membership date and I think things will settle down quickly. We need to down-grade the "ownership syndrome". Things are looking up! PatB

No, I do not agree with this. There was nothing offensive about the Johnnypopper titles before, though I won't miss them. The number of posts and join date I think are also not offensive and can be helpful.

I personally like to see how many posts I have made, and others as well. I think it is interesting.

If anyone is offended by anything on this forum you need to grow up. We are all grown people and need to learn to act as such.

Dave

Oh yeah, as for registration I am now indifferent on the subject, as the moderators have been doing a bang up job of removing the offensive posts.
However if it is too much or would make life easier for those parties involved I would support registration. As it is I like knowing who I am communicating with. I value the opinions of all involved, but it is much easier to decide if a post is credible or not when you know who you are dealing with.
I also consider this board to be made up of friends. All my friends in real life have names. I have never met any of you, but I imagine you all have names and I would like to know them.

Dave

QUOTE (P Browning @ Aug 1 2006, 08:27 PM)

Bryon -- My Hat is Off to you!  Thanks for deleting the ranking.  That was offensive to me. Now -- delete also (1) the number of posts and (2) membership date and I think things will settle down quickly.  We need to down-grade the "ownership syndrome".  Things are looking up! PatB

I am very impressed with ideas of pat b. I think we are blessed to have a man like this to share ideas with. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING HIS IDEAS ON HOW TO RUN THIS FORUM.

p.s. I just love your manuals and very informaive website.

The number of spam posts that have been showing up as of lately to me is enough reason to require that posting members be registered. I am not a webmaster in anyway, but it sounds to me that will stop most of the spam if not all of it. If it is posible to let the guest read-only the forums by all means let them.

I personally don't care to see the snipping that has happened on this site since I joined, but I do know it will happen again at some point in the future. That is a shame, but I am being realistic about it. There is a lot of good people on this site and I don't see it happening very often. As with any group of personalities there will be times that stress in there personal life, plain old misunderstandings, or some other reason it will happen.

I personally have read some posts in the past that angered me when I first read them. On one or two occasions they seemed directed at me, but most of the time it is just the way (or the time of day) I interpret the post. When I go back later and re-read the post I catch the meaning that was intended. Some of the posts are clearly written and some are not so this somewhat dumb country boy needs to read them more than once. It is easy to shot back when you feel you are under attack. I try not to shot back or comment as I feel it is just pouring gas on the fire. As in my daily life I know people that will say, or do things, just to see the reaction of the one it is directed at.

If you think of this site as a "family" then you know that there could be squabbling from time to time. Hopefully when that happens the parties involved will see for themselves where the discussion is going and stop before one of the Forum leaders feel they need to step in.

I don't know if there is a point to the previous two paragraphs other than I choose to be here and can live with this site even when a small bit of bad is showing from time to time.

As for the argument of not registering because of e-mail reasons. Do what I did. I used my secondary e-mail address at Yahoo. I didn't use my primary address. I check my Yahoo address at least once a week in case someone tries to contact me.

As for the ranking that have been removed. I didn't take stock in it, unless I could have the rank of JD Learning or He Might Know Something

Thank you all for the privilege to be here to learn from your knowledge and experiences!

RB

The comments are very interesting so far. The fighting on the boards is disappointing. I'm thinking that registering to post (but allowing anybody to read) is the only real solution for the problems. Hopefully the guests that are against this change their mind, and continue to contribute in the future.

I guess you could compare it to a magazine. You can't get it in the mail without registering! But this board is much better than any magazine. It's free (unless you want to give a little support once and a while), and you can contribute to it as much as you want. And no waiting for a month or two for new info!

Brandon

Mr. Guest who is the experienced JD mechanic: one of the good reasons, from my standpoint, for registration is that I would not have to guess whether it is you posting, or whether it is another "guest" who likes to agitate, or another guest who is "spoofing", or another guest who (etc., etc.). I have valued your posts because they speak from experience. However, sometimes it takes a reading or two to sort the wheat from the chaff and conclude, "Oh yeah, this is the GOOD Guest." It would simply be nicer to see your good comments and be unconcerned about who it is, for one reason or another, chooses to call himself "guest." Hopefully the negatives for guests can be (and some have been) addressed, so that the negatives for the rest of the Board (as a result of having guests) can also be addressed.

Registration may not be necessary if we were to go to the entry of a human-read-only code that would be entered before posting only. Why don't we try that first and see how much spam is eliminated.

IMHO required registration appears to some as a way to make this board an "exclusive" club and they choose to have no part of it.

Yeah, it's me-lurking back to see how this thing sorts out-(doesn't everybody?)...this post is mainly to say the supportive comments from 720deere & SteveBemis are appreciated. It's good to know one's efforts are noted & appreciated, something which has seemed to be rare here-I know, that's a consequenece of posting anonymously...whoever said this is a family was right, but right now it looks like a dysfunctional family...so... we'll see what happens...the basic premise of this site is valid & necessary.
Later, guest...

For my two cents worth I think it is time to require that posters be registerd and be logged in when they post. This "Guest" stuff leaves to much room for cheap shots and continued pot stirring.

Ok it's time for me to weigh in. I am disapointed to see this forum reach an all time low.
About 2 or 3 weeks ago I was ready to sign on, but I have reconsidered.I too was concerned about my email address going public and was going to hide it, but that is not safe anymore because Byron has given the keys of the forum to anybody who wants them. Now all of your hidden addresses are available to these people and even more people in the future, and I can't take that chance. My family uses the same address and I need to protect them. I'm going to miss this forum but like steve said ''that's life''.

QUOTE (Guest @ Aug 2 2006, 10:18 AM)

Ok it's time for me to weigh in. I am disapointed to see this forum reach an all time low. About 2 or 3 weeks ago I was ready to sign on, but I have reconsidered.I too was concerned about my email address going public and was going to hide it, but that is not safe anymore because Byron has given the keys of the forum to anybody who wants them. Now all of your hidden addresses are available to these people and even more people in the future, and I can't take that chance. My family uses the same address and I need to protect them. I'm going to miss this forum but like steve said ''that's life''.

As far as I know, the only ability Byron gave myself or anybody else is to be able to delete a post or edit it.
I don't have access to hidden e-mail address's or any other personal information. So that arguement is torpedoed.
I would not want access to any of that information.
Crum

You know, there are plenty of free email servers out there like yahoo or hotmail. You like many others have already could set up one of those accounts to protect the privacy of you and your family. Those web mail accounts are not directly linked to your computer or your family so I don't really see that as a valid concern. Based on the fact that you posted as an anonymous guest and didn't identify yourself with as much as a handle, I would say there are more issues besides email privacy here.

I post under a handle because when I started internet forum posting several years ago that was what everybody seemed to do. I continue to use 720Deere because that's how I am known. Just so you know I am known in the real world as Matt Scarff from Fallston, MD. Many members have received email from me in the past and have seen my email signature which includes my name, all my phone numbers and my position with the company I work for. I have nothing to hide so why do you?

QUOTE (Guest @ Aug 2 2006, 09:18 AM)

Ok it's time for me to weigh in. I am disapointed to see this forum reach an all time low. About 2 or 3 weeks ago I was ready to sign on, but I have reconsidered.I too was concerned about my email address going public and was going to hide it, but that is not safe anymore because Byron has given the keys of the forum to anybody who wants them. Now all of your hidden addresses are available to these people and even more people in the future, and I can't take that chance. My family uses the same address and I need to protect them. I'm going to miss this forum but like steve said ''that's life''.

P.S. Mr. bemis, you need to get a dictionary and stop making up your own definitions. People who post spam are not good people but they are not terrorist, and if I have wasted your time, you are too busy to be reading this anyways.

This discussion shows a consistent concern with privacy, which I consider totally valid in this internet with its downside potentials. However, the concern seems to be based on very different understandings of the technical possibilities inherent in the way this website is set up, as well as the ability (or lack thereof) that bad people have to worm their way into our personal computers, as a result of participation in this website.

Could someone knowledgeable about these issues contribute a careful, thorough explanation so that people like the most recent Guest (and I don't think I mean the guest who just dissed me) can make an intelligent decision? I, like 720Deere, FIT, Crum and many others have consistently been open with our real names, and although I may be naive, I've never had a problem with negative stuff happening, and I sign on both at home and at work (one a Mac, the other a PC), sometimes leaving one or both machines in the "log in" mode simply because I forget to log out. So, I don't have technical problems (altho the Mac is naturally resistant to spam and the PC here at work has an army of technicians and a robust firewall to protect us), so I haven't had concerns about trash coming in over the transom, problems logging on, etc. Admittedly, I don't have concerns mainly as a result of not having bad experiences, not because I understand what the potentialities are. We might benefit by having a common understanding on this topic.

E-mail addresses are confidential, and will stay that way. As I said before, any registered member can opt to hide his e-mail. Moderators do not have access to e-mail info. The only person who can see members' actual e-mail address is me, as Administrator, and I'm not about to divulge that information to anyone.

I won't even send e-mails from myself to members who haven't checked the box saying that admin e-mails are allowed.

Mr. Guest, or Guests, there need be no concern about this. Check the box that says to hide your e-mail, and you're safe.

Gues,
Aside from being an insult to the guys that work hard on this board, it is kind of a stupid statement to say that Byron has handed the keys to anyone that wants them. Other than the people we already know are moderators, just who exactly do you think has the "keys" to the board? What would lead you to believe that any of the moderators would do ANYTHING illegal or untoward with your or anybody else's e-mail address?
Additionally, if the purpose of this site was to get your info, there are plenty of hit counters out there that will give someone way more info than you are afraid of giving, and all you have to do is stop at the site. If you are that afraid, then you need to leave the internet alltogether. I really doubt you are, I would guess it is just another reason for you to bash this site and the people who work on it.
Lavoy

Wow! Way too much energy is being exerted on this issue. What started as maybe an hour or two a day for Byron to maintain this site, now has turned into a six, seven hour day? Perhaps more?

Make a decision! Make registration a requirement. If after several months it doesn?t work out, reverse it. Personally, I don?t know why it wouldn?t work to help eliminate the spam, or at least reduce it.

As for the 'guests' who say they'll move on.....I hope they reconsider. Their knowledge is very valuable and they WILL be missed. Once in this hobby, I see only two things that might keep one from staying interested and not wanting to contribute, (1) Old age/physical endurance and (2) Death. Well, maybe three. (3) MONEY! Even as an old man that's broke, the 'know how' is still there and we need that.

Johnnyputt

The guest's concern about Byron "giving the keys to anyone" is completely unfounded. You may have noticed that Byron and I were the only moderators for quite a while, until the spam became such a problem that more people volunteered to help. And all of the moderators have been hanging around here for quite a while. If you have been here long enough, you'd know that Rummy started this whole site and idea!

As a mod, all I can do is edit or delete messages. And I only touch spam, or post a message or two to try to stop bickering. I can't view your email, password, or ANYTHING personal.

240495, the idea for entering a number code for posting is a good idea, BUT I don't know if it is possible with the message board software being used. To do so might require spending a good amount of money on software that would do that. Requiring registration is probably the only option there is with the current software.

Brandon

One good thing that will come from this is that when people get mad and leave they will really have to ''leave.'' I have also noticed that guest outnumber the members 2 to 1.

QUOTE (Brandon @ Aug 2 2006, 03:20 PM)

240495, the idea for entering a number code for posting is a good idea, BUT I don't know if it is possible with the message board software being used. To do so might require spending a good amount of money on software that would do that.

I don't know about the money end, but updating the software would open a whole new can of worms on the board. Kim (Yesterday's Tractor)tried desperately to move on to a newer version of the software and met extremely strong opposition! If you think people are griping about having to register, wait until nothing looks the same as they are used to and they can't navigate the site. Even if it is for the better change is never met with open arms!

It looks like just about every fear or excuse that has come up regarding required registration has been debunked. I look forward to the next wave of excuses to come rolling in.

Byron, I know you will do what you think is in the best interest of this forum and I stand ready to live with whatever it is that you decide. Thanks for carrying the tremendous burden that this board has become to you! I bet you kinda wish Rummy would just call up and ask to take it back, don't you?

No, I like this place. It does get irritating at times, I'll admit, but Rummy really created a nice environment here, and I'd like to do my part to keep it running.

Now, if I could only find that pristine late-model B with a top-notch 5-foot pull-type finish mower for about $500.......

Byron, I've got question. With fit registering two times is he able to post under two names. Just a thought and nothing else.

Sure. Just like everyone in your house could each have a log on.